#5 – “Grow and learn” – David Caggiari (David Cage) – Rock star turned 2nd stripe white belt Brazilian Ju Jitsu and amazing inspiring dude

Art as a competitive endeavour? – David is a friend who has navigated the complicated and competitive world of the music industry having had his band (Apartment) signed by Universal. He has since accomplished many life learnings on top of this and we talk about approaches to failing and he speaks to his experience in BJJ (Brazilian Ju Jitsu).

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